PLEASE NOTE:
*
CCNet, 86/2000 -  12 September 2000
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     "The global warmers just don't get
it. Rather than realizing they 
     do not understand enough about the
natural systems about which they 
     make such dire pronouncements - which
fail to materialize, over and 
     over again - they continue to erode
their credibility with ever
     more dramatic doomsday
predictions."
       -- Craig D. Idso & Keith
E. Idso, Center for the Study of 
          Carbon
Dioxide and Global Change
     "Australians are not used to having
all the world's eyes on
     them at once, and it is clearly an
unnerving prospect. Huge
     amounts of newspaper space have been
devoted to all the
     things that might go wrong. It is
literally not possible to
     name a catastrophic contingency, short
of asteroid impact
     or nuclear attack, that hasn't been
mooted and 
     exhaustively analysed in the nation's
press in the long
     run-up to the Games." 
        -- Bill Bryson, The
Times, 9 September 2000.
(1) ANOTHER 'CLOSE APPROACH' CONFIRMS COMMON PHENOMENA
    SpaceWeather, 11 September 2000
 
(2) METEOR OR SPACE JUNK LIGHTS NIGHT OVER PENNSYLVANIA
    Ron Baalke <baalke@jpl.nasa.gov> 
 
(3) 4th SEPTEMBER FIREBALL: A NEW RE-ENTRY?
    Josep Maria Trigo i Rodriguez <jmtrigo@ctv.es> 
(4) HUGE VEGETATION LOSS ACCOMPANIED MASS EXTINTION
    Andrew Yee <ayee@nova.astro.utoronto.ca>
(5) POSSIBLE IMPACT EVENT IN 540 AD
    Michael Paine <mpaine@tpgi.com.au> 
 
(6) WHAT CAUSED THE DARK AGES?
    Duncan A. Lunan <astra@dlunan.freeserve.co.uk>
(7) MYTHOLOGY TOO SPECULATIVE FOR IMPACT SEARCHES
    Ron Baalke <baalke@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
 
(8) SLOAN SKY SURVEY
    Rolf Sinclair <rolf@santafe.edu> 
 
(9) RIDING MAN MADE METEORS
    Will Marchant <kc6rol@amsat.org> 
(10) BACK FROM THE DEAD: CORAL RECOVERY SIGNALS RESILIENCY 
     OF ECOSYSTEMS
     Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide
and Global Change, 
 
(11) AND FINALLY: THE CRISIS OF NO CRISIS
     Bob Kobres <bkobres@uga.edu> 
============
(1) ANOTHER 'CLOSE APPROACH' CONFIRMS COMMON PHENOMENA
From SpaceWeather, 11 September 2000
http://SpaceWeather.com/
ASTEROID ALERT: Late last week the LINEAR robotic telescope in
New 
Mexico discovered a bright Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) that will
pass 
0.03 AU from Earth on Sept. 17 (approximately 12 times farther
from our planet than the Moon). The space rock, called 2000 RD53,
is 
probably 300-400 meters across. There is no danger of a
collision, but 
the close encounter offers astronomers a chance to study an NEA
at 
close range. Amateur astronomers with 8 inch or larger telescopes
can 
also monitor 2000 RD53. To find the asteroid in the sky, use this
ephemeris <http://SpaceWeather.com/meteoroutlook/rd53ephem.html>
============
(2) METEOR OR SPACE JUNK LIGHTS NIGHT OVER PENNSYLVANIA
From Ron Baalke <baalke@jpl.nasa.gov>
http://www.mcall.com/html/news/regional/b_pg002b2_meteor.htm
Late-night light show probably a meteor
By Dan Shope
Of The Morning Call (Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania)
September 11,  2000
A bright streak across area skies early Saturday prompts calls to
dispatch center. Maybe it wasn't "War of the Worlds" or
"Mars Attack," 
but there was something a little creepy about the sky on Saturday
morning [Sept 9].
About 3:30 a.m., an unusual bright light was reported flashing
across 
the sky. Reports came from Northampton County to Lancaster County
that 
something unusual was seen.
It wasn't a bird. It wasn't a plane, or even a saucer. It was
probably 
a meteor or space junk, according to an official of Lehigh Valley
Amateur Astronomical Society.
Full story here:
http://www.mcall.com/html/news/regional/b_pg002b2_meteor.htm
===============
(3) 4th SEPTEMBER FIREBALL: A NEW RE-ENTRY?
From Josep Maria Trigo i Rodriguez <jmtrigo@ctv.es> 
Dear Benny,
We have information on a new fireball. Next week we hope to
include in 
our SPMN homepage new data on this and other fireballs appeared
over 
Spain this year. 
4th SEPTEMBER FIREBALL: A NEW RE-ENTRY?
On September 4, 2000, several people in Andalucia and South of
Portugal 
noticed a slow-moving fireball of, at least, -12 apparent
magnitude. 
According to our data the fireball appeared approx. at 21h52m
UT  but 
at this moment we have only poor quality reports. Interesting
data has 
been obtained by Ph. D. Bev M Ewen-Smith (COAA) from Portugal.
From the fireball apparent trajectory and velocity we are
suspicious 
that this event could be again an artificial fireball produced by
a 
satellite re-entry. In fact, our team resolved recently the
nature of 
November 27th 1999 fireball as caused by the re-entry of Shenzhou
Long 
March Chinese Rocket (#25957=99-61B). A complete report was
published in
the Journal of the International Meteor Organization: WGN 28:1,
february
2000.
In any case, at this moment we are searching for other reports
and 
additional data on expected satellite re-entries on September 4.
We 
will be grateful for any additional information.
*****************************************************
Josep M. Trigo-Rodriguez
RED DE INVESTIGACIÓN SOBRE BÓLIDOS Y METEORITOS
SPANISH FIREBALL NETWORK
Institut d'Estudis Espacials de Catalunya (IEEC)
Experimental Sciences Dept., Universitat Jaume I
Inorganic Chemistry Dept., Universitat de Barcelona
Astronomy & Astrophysics Dept., Universitat de Valencia
SPMN homepage: http://www.spmn.uji.es/
E-mails: trigo@exp.uji.es /
jllorca@kripto.qui.ub.es
*****************************************************
==============
(4) HUGE VEGETATION LOSS ACCOMPANIED MASS EXTINTION
From Andrew Yee <ayee@nova.astro.utoronto.ca>
University of Washington
Seattle, Washington
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Sept. 7, 2000
FROM: Vince Stricherz, 206-543-2580, vinces@u.washington.edu
New evidence indicates huge vegetation loss accompanied mass
extinction
The greatest mass extinction in Earth history eliminated 85
percent to 
90 percent of all marine and land vertebrate species 250 million
years 
ago, at the end of the Permian Period and the beginning of the 
Triassic. New evidence from researchers at the University of
Washington 
and the South African Museum shows the extinction was accompanied
by a 
massive loss of vegetation, causing major changes in river
systems.
Probing sedimentary layers in the Karoo Basin of South Africa,
the 
scientists found evidence that, with the loss of deep-rooting
plants, 
meandering river systems changed rapidly to braided systems.
Braided 
streams run much straighter and faster and branch out for short 
distances before merging back to the primary stream. They also
cause 
much faster sediment buildup because vegetation is not holding 
streamside soil in place and it is easily swept away by the 
faster-moving water.
Using data from the Karoo and elsewhere, the scientists attribute
the 
drastic change in river character to a catastrophic global die
off of 
vegetation that likely resulted from the same cause as the mass 
extinction among marine and land animals.
Peter Ward, a UW geological sciences professor, along with David 
Montgomery, a UW associate geological sciences professor, and
Roger 
Smith, the South African Museum's curator of geology, publish
their 
findings in the Sept. 8 issue of the journal Science.
Sedimentary layers from the Permo-Triassic boundary were examined
at 
seven different sites scattered across 250 miles of the Karoo
Basin, 
and the researchers found striking similarities in the evidence
for a 
rapid shift from meandering to braided streams.
Major tectonic activity could change streams from meandering to 
braided, Ward said. However, recent studies have shown there was
no 
major tectonic activity at the time of the Permo-Triassic
extinction, 
which occurred when the Earth's land was still locked in a 
supercontinent called Pangea.
Braided streams were common until the Silurian Period some 400
million 
years ago, but then gave way to meandering streams as plant life 
evolved. Today it is rare to see a braided stream unless it is in
a 
place, like Mount St. Helens in Washington state, where the
landscape 
has been denuded by a catastrophic event such as a volcanic
eruption.
"The thing we take so for granted now -- meandering rivers
-- is a very 
recent feature on Earth," Ward said. "This didn't
appear until the 
Silurian, when land plants started to take over the Earth."
The sudden reappearance of braided streams, probably on a global
scale, 
250 million years ago is strong evidence of a major catastrophe
that 
wiped out plant life as well as much of animal life, Ward said.
He 
noted that plant life emerged again relatively quickly at the
beginning 
of the Triassic Period.
A number of potential causes for the mass extinction have been 
postulated, including the impact of an asteroid or comet,
environmental 
shifts, volcanism or the overturning of the oceans to release
trapped 
gases into the atmosphere. In their research, paid for by a
National 
Science Foundation grant, Ward, Montgomery and Smith do not
speculate 
which, if any, of the theories is correct. But they say that the
way 
plant life disappeared indicates events happened very quickly on
a 
geological scale.
"Whenever you describe something as happening in thousands,
rather than 
millions, of years, that's very fast geologically speaking,"
Ward said. 
"The new evidence helps us understand how rapid this was,
because the 
transition from meandering to braided streams was quick. And I
think 
the most important thing is that it tells us how catastrophic
this was. 
It was the most catastrophic event in Earth history, or at least
in the 
history of life."
###
For more information, contact Ward (206) 543-2962 or 
argo@u.washington.edu;
Montgomery at (206) 685-2560 or 
dave@geology.washington.edu;
or Smith at 011-27-21-424-3330 or 
rsmith@samuseum.ac.za
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(5) POSSIBLE IMPACT EVENT IN 540 AD
From Michael Paine <mpaine@tpgi.com.au>
Dear Benny,
According to the report posted in CCNet on 9 September, Mike
Baille has 
appealed 'to historians to accept that something terrible
happened
around 540 AD and to find record of it'. He is likely to
encounter 
great resistance to the idea that a NEO impact can cause a major 
climatic disturbance. 
To gain an idea of the probability of such an impact occurring in
the 
past 2000 years I thought I would revisit the simulation that was
used
in your AAAS talk earlier this year. Recall that I used John
Lewis's
software to simulate 100,000 years of 'bombardment'.
First we need a rough idea of the size of impact that could cause
the 
climate disturbance noted by Prof Baille. In 1815 the volcano on
Tambora
Island in Indonesia exploded. The dust from this explosion is
thought to
have caused the "year without summer" in 1816. The
explosion produced a
crater 6km in diameter.
Estimating the climatic effects of NEO impacts is more
complicated but 
the Tambora event can give us a idea of the type of event that
could
cause severe climate disruption (for at least a year). First
assume that
a LAND IMPACT event would be needed to produced equivalent
climate
disruption to Tambora. There were 40 land impacts in our
simulation - an
average of one event every 2,500 years.
On the basis that a NEO impact is more efficient at channeling
dust into
the upper atmosphere I have assumed that a NEO impact producing a
crater
at least 3km in diameter would be needed to match Tambora. There
were
only 6 such events in the simulation - an average interval of
17,000
years.
By this VERY ROUGH estimate, the chances of a NEO impact causing
hemispherical climate disruption in the past 2,000 years are
therefore
about 1 in 9. This seems lower than the risk of a major volcanic
explosion but it is still a highly plausible explanation for the
540 AD
event, especially if no known volcanic explosions occurred at
that time. 
Where is the crater? I expect there are many areas on Earth where
a
crater a few km across would be eroded or covered in 1,500 years.
Multiple 'airbursts', such as from comet fragments, might have
the same
climatic results but are much rarer so I doubt if they would
alter the
risk estimates. The climatic effects of ocean impacts are less
predictable but probably less severe than a land impact for the
same
size NEO - again the risk estimates would not alter much. Of
course
neither airbursts or ocean impacts leave a crater. 
Regards
Michael Paine
PS: Sydney's Channel 7 TV has a special tonight 'Asteroids: the
deadly 
impact' and the promos feature David Morrison. It is not all
Olympics
here!
======================
(6) WHAT CAUSED THE DARK AGES?
From Duncan A. Lunan <astra@dlunan.freeserve.co.uk>
Dear Benny,
Thanks for sending the enclosed and all previous
material.   One
question I'd like to ask, though: Channel 4 has twice showed a 
two-part documentary attributing this global catastrophe to a 
super-eruption of Krakatoa. They acknowledged that there had been
a comet around the same time, the one identified in Irish records
as 'Lugh of the Shining Face' and therefore etymologically
related 
to me, but they found no evidence for an impact, and claimed lots
for the volcano. Is Mike Baillie rejecting all of that?
Best wishes to all,
Duncan Lunan.
==============
(7) MYTHOLOGY TOO SPECULATIVE FOR IMPACT SEARCHES
From Ron Baalke <baalke@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>By E.P. Grondine  <epgrondine@hotmail.com>
>PART 4: FROM THE BALD MOUNTAINS IMPACT TO THE END
>THE 1200 AD BALD MOUNTAINS IMPACT EVENT: 
>THE LEGEND OF THE BALD MOUNTAINS AND THE BEGINNING OF THE
CHEROKEE 
>(KITUAGI) MIGRATION 
>These peoples would have been under the rule of
"thunderbirds", chiefs 
>of the Southern Ceremonial Complex, who wore feathered
costumes, 
>"claws" on their hands and feet, and had their
noses mutilated into 
>"beaks" through removal of their sides and septum.
>This version of the tale comes from Legends and Lore,
University of 
>Tennessee Newsletter, Knoxville, 1961 and has been hopelessly
>romanticized by the compiler, David Harkness.
So, the basis of an impact event is based on a story that has
been 
'hopelessly romanticized' and that the tribes in the area have
moved 
around? Sounds like just speculation to me. If there is any
physical 
evidence of an impact event in the Bald Mountains area, I would
like to 
see it.
It turns out there are more likely explanations on how the story
of the 
Thunderbirds originated, and none of these explanations involve
an 
impact event.
The Discovery Channel recently aired a program on this very same
story 
called "The Legend of the Thunderbird". The thrust of
the program was 
the legend was possibly based a large condor like bird species
existed 
broadly across the US in  prehistoric times. Bones identical
to those 
of the California Condor have been found at the Hiscock Mastadont
site 
in New York in post-Pleistocene deposits that contain
paleo-Indian 
artifacts, and in Florida. 
>          
The Legend of The Bald Mountains
> 
> One day, to the terror of the tribe, an immense bird
> soared above them, overshadowing them with his
> outstretched wings.  Finally, with terrific cries, he
> settled upon the very top of the mountains, shaking
> all the surrounding country as he came down.  The bird
> sat there ominously but quietly, and even the boldest
> hunter dared not pursue his game when it fled toward
> the summit of the mountains.
> 
> One night when the tribe was wrapped in sleep, they
> were suddenly awakened by the shriekings of the bird
> and the quaking of the earth at his movements.  With
> one fell swoop he rushed down upon the valley like a
> storm, crying and roaring with ferocity, and causing
> the trees and rocks to shake.  Men, women, and
> children fled in tumult and terror.  
Another possibility is this could have been an earthquake.
Earthquakes 
have been documented in the Bald Mountains area. Here's a
detailed 
account of a series of earthquakes that hit that region in 1874:
http://truth.wofford.edu/%7Efergusonta/Duprerpt.htm
Ron Baalke
==================
(8) SLOAN SKY SURVEY
From Rolf Sinclair <rolf@santafe.edu>
Hi Benny --
Here's something to keep an eye on: I just heard an interesting
presentation by Bruce Margon on the Sloan Digital Sky Survey
(http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/users/djt/colloq/Margon.htm).
This survey
will map a large fraction of the sky in the optical and near-IR,
searching
for objects of stellar and cosmological interest. In passing, the
survey
will gather  a lot of data on small bodies in the solar
system. Such
objects may be recorded only once since they will not repeat a
surveyed
region, but a lot of information will be gathered that could be
of interest
to (for example) NEO searches.
Those interested should contact SDSS.
Rolf
===============
(9) RIDING MAN MADE METEORS
From Will Marchant <kc6rol@amsat.org>
Hi Benny:
Jim Oberg has a nice article at
http://www.galaxyonline.com/wired_galaxy/contributors/Oberg_James/manmade_meteors.html
where he talks about "riding man made meteors" (i.e.
astro/cosmonauts 
reentering) and also discusses the "solution" of the
electrophonic sound
problem. CCNet readers might enjoy this article. I did.
Will
Will Marchant
marchant@ssl.berkeley.edu      
http://chips.ssl.berkeley.edu/
kc6rol@amsat.org               
http://www.citizen.infi.net/~wmarchan/
==================
(10) BACK FROM THE DEAD: CORAL RECOVERY SIGNALS RESILIENCY 
     OF ECOSYSTEMS
From the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
Change, 
http://www.co2science.org/
6 September 2000 
"Coral reefs in the Indian and Pacific oceans seem to be
recovering 
more quickly than expected from a recent devastating 'bleaching'
caused 
by high ocean temperatures." So begins a News-of-the-Week
item written 
by Dennis Normile in the 12 May 2000 issue of Science. It
continues 
with positive reports from the Lakshadweep Islands off the west
coast 
of India, as well as from the Maldives and Palau, recounting the
"unexpected survival" of coral that "somehow
avoided" the unprecedented 
environmental assault. 
But how can this be? Wasn't, as Normile puts it, "the most 
extensive coral bleaching event ever seen" - with its
imputed 
record-high death-dealing tropical sea surface temperatures - 
supposed to be the beginning-of-the-end for earth's
wildly-diverse 
coral reef ecosystems? And so we ask, how can so many of the 
massively devastated corals possibly be recovering?
An enlightening answer comes from Terry Done of the Australian 
Institute of Marine Science in Cape Ferguson, who Normile quotes
as 
saying "it may indicate that reefs are more resilient than
we had 
thought."  Now isn't that a "thought" -
nature may be more resilient 
than what the global warmers have consistently claimed she is.
Done is undoubtedly correct in his assessment of nature, and the
nature 
of coral reefs in particular. But the good news, coupled with
published 
reactions to it, also indicates something else, namely, that some
people
just cannot imagine anything good happening . even after it's
already 
occurred!
Consider, for example, the reef Done studies. Normile reports
that it 
"looked 'like a graveyard' after the 1998 bleaching."
But in March of 
this year, it was found to contain "a surprising amount of
new coral," 
something that Normile and the scientists he talked with all call
a
"mystery."  Yet in spite of this good news, and
the possibilities it 
portends for the future, Normile echoes the sentiments of Done
that, be 
this recovery as it may, "the coral would not be able to
mature and 
recover from the repeated bleaching forecast to accompany
projected
global warming."
But why not? If many of earth's corals - like a couple of
oceans-full - 
"mysteriously" recovered from this mother-of-all
bleaching events, 
could they not "mysteriously" recover from others as
well?  We have a
sneaking suspicion they could, based upon the fact that many of
them 
have just proven last year's reports of their demise to have
been, 
shall we say, greatly exaggerated?
In the judgment of the global warmers, however, earth's corals 
definitely will not be able to recover from similar future
challenges.  
In their minds, they truly won't be able to "weather such
weather" . 
until, of course, they actually do in fact do so, just like they
did 
this year, which wasn't supposed to happen either.
Clearly, today's "mystery" is but tomorrow's old news,
merely awaiting 
the thoughtful study of some discerning mind - or even just the
passing 
of time, as in this case - to lay it open for all mankind to see
and 
understand, making what currently seems impossible actually
appear
commonplace.
But the global warmers just don't get it.  Rather than
realizing they 
do not understand enough about the natural systems about which
they 
make such dire pronouncements - which fail to materialize, over
and 
over again - they continue to erode their credibility with ever
more dramatic doomsday predictions.  Though forced to
finally 
acknowledge that corals "have a good chance to recover from
a one-time, 
short-term disturbance like bleaching" - which now doesn't
sound so
bad, does it? - they continue to claim that the ultimate demise
of 
earth's coral reefs is inevitable, due to more of what many
corals
have just successfully weathered. And so it is that Normile
concludes 
by quoting Dome as saying that the current recovery "won't
do the reefs 
much good," because it won't be much longer "before
they'll be wiped 
out again."
Fortunately, it would appear that we can now append to that
statement 
the additional assertion that they'll also likely recover again.
Dr. Craig D. Idso
President
Dr. Keith E. Idso
Vice President
Reference:
Normile, D.  2000.  Global Warming: Some coral bouncing
back from El Niño.  Science 288: 941-942. 
===============
(11) AND FINALLY: THE CRISIS OF NO CRISIS
From Bob Kobres <bkobres@uga.edu>
 
From: The New York Times, 10 September 2000
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/10/weekinreview/10REVK.html
[. . .]
Most climate experts are certain that global warming is real and
that 
it threatens ecology and human prosperity, and a growing number
say it 
is well under way. But policy makers, always eager for black and
white, 
have once again found science offering shades of gray. 
Indeed, global warming is a classic example of the persistent
mismatch 
between the language of science and the needs of policy.
Science operates by steadily chipping away at ideas through
experiments 
or observations, eventually revealing truths, but often obliquely
- by 
eliminating what is not true. The bigger the idea, the harder it
often 
is to verify with precision. The result is persistent debate,
whether 
the issue is how to manage forests to reduce wildfires, how to
set 
limits for chemicals in food to prevent cancer, or - in this case
- how 
to figure out whether people are dangerously fiddling with the
global 
thermostat.
But before policy makers can try to sell potentially costly or 
difficult solutions, say, taxing fossil fuels, they need to build
a 
clear and compelling case that strong action is called for. 
The lesson in all of this, according to climate scientists - some
of 
whom think humanity is already in big trouble - is that no one
should 
expect some alarm bell to start ringing to summon societies to
take 
action. 
The evidence is subtle and complex, and probably will be so for a
long 
time to come, said Jerry D. Mahlman, who is retiring as director
of the 
federal Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory in Princeton, N.J.
"This 
is going to be incremental forever," he said. 
Those increments continue to add up, he and other climate experts
said. 
Past climate ups and downs mostly mesh well with natural
variations in 
the brightness of the sun or the cooling effect of parasol-like
plumes 
of particles spewed by big volcanoes. But the recent warming,
according 
to several recent studies, only correlates well with one thing:
the 
buildup of carbon dioxide, methane and the other greenhouse
gases. 
Hints that warming is being caused by emissions from industry and
other 
human activities have been extracted from air bubbles trapped in 
ancient ice, from variations in tree rings, from the quick
retreat of 
alpine glaciers. Thermometers dropped deep in the ocean and in
holes 
bored in permafrost show warming patterns that do not match up
with 
natural influences like changes in the sun's brightness.
Still, the subtleties have allowed warming skeptics ample
opportunity 
to challenge the idea. Some, like Richard S. Lindzen, a
meteorologist 
at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have built durable 
counterarguments, saying the links connecting the earth's oceans,
air 
and "cryosphere," its frozen places, are impossible to
elucidate with 
sufficient confidence to predict much beyond next week's weather.
In an interview, Dr. Lindzen acknowledged the arctic warming
trend and 
slight global warming measured in the last century, but said it
all is 
well within the realm of natural variation or measurement error -
and 
not yet within our power to understand.
"This is a field that was in a primitive state when it
assumed a policy 
importance a few years ago," Dr. Lindzen said.
"Suddenly we've declared 
thousands of people in a primitive field as world experts, and
they're 
trying to have their day." And reports last week that boats
had 
traversed the normally frozen Northwest Passage and northern
rivers and 
lakes were freezing later and thawing earlier were countered with
the 
response that this seeming meltdown could still be ascribed to
natural 
wiggles in temperature or ocean currents.
But most scientists, including some who work with Dr. Lindzen at 
M.I.T., say the balance of data has shifted firmly toward a
conclusion 
that people, through their impact on the atmosphere, are
influencing 
climate now and will have even more impact in coming years.
Somehow, many experts say, if the threat is to be countered,
societies 
will have to figure out a way to act in the face of gray
uncertainty, 
to deal aggressively with a problem that lacks the attributes of
a 
crisis. That is no easy task.
Dr. Mahlman has pretty much given up on that hope, saying that
many 
countries, including the United States, have essentially decided
that 
the focus is going to be on painless, low-cost fixes like growing
trees 
to sop up the most common greenhouse gas, carbon dioxide, and on 
adapting to coming warming instead of countering it. 
"We just don't want to face up to it," he said, adding
that people do 
not want to change their lifestyle or the economy "for the
sake of 
avoiding future costs."
He and others stress that the real challenge with global warming
and 
similar issues is that, by the time the impact becomes too clear
to 
debate, it will be far too late to do anything about it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sounds familiar?
bobk
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