From lippard@PrimeNet.Com Sat Aug 13 14:49:22 1994 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:35:32 -0700 (MST) From: "James J. Lippard" To: lippard@rtd.com Subject: Leroy DUCKS AGAIN Well, this is the selfsame question that Leroy already addressed in his Jul 7 post "ducks again". For those that missed it the first time, here it is: (posted, as usual, for CLE) DUCKS, AGAIN! The umbrage Everett Cochrane takes because Ellenberger listed him in a group of people who believe Earth had no season during the Golden Age is wholly unjustified and has nothing to do with what Everett has or has not written and/or published on the issue. Herewith are two replies to the pedantic Cochrane: SHORT VERSION: All S's believe X C is an S Therefore, C believes X. LONG VERSION: The plain truth of the matter is that "no seasons during the Golden Age" is a key tenet of the polar configuration paradigm adumbrated by Dave Talbott, author of _The Saturn Myth_ (1980), founder of AEON, and Everett's occasional collaborator and co-author. IN AEON III:3, Talbott wrote: "The age of the gods began with the Golden Age. There were no seasons, no sickness, no war" (p.9). The polar conviguration model by Grubaugh in AEON III:3 was designed, in part, to eliminated seasons. Not once in our many conversations and letters in '91 and '92 did Everett ever disavow, repudiate or express any reservations about any tenet of the polar configuration. To be a "Saturnist" is to believe in a regime which by definition included an aeon ruled by Kronos-Saturn during which Earth had no seasons. For Everett, who has never to my knowledge denied being a "Saturnist," to protest being listed in a group that, in part, believes Earth had no seasons in the Golden Age beggars the imagination and stands logic on its head. Does Everett espouse something of which he truly does not unerstand all the ramifications? Is Everett really "clueless in the mythosphere"? If it walks like a duck ... Since Talbott's 3 Jul, 456 line posting in reply to Ellenberger's 20 Jun posting to Cochrane and Talbott is, GOOD GRIEF, no meaningful reply at all but merely a put-down via argument by confusion that ignores every substantive, substantiated point made by Ellenberger and indicates that Talbott is oblivious of the recent realization that Venus CANNOT have had a tail (& thereby suggests that Talbott, too, is "clueless in the mythosphere"), Cochrane's substantive reply and/or concession is eagerly awaited, along with the long-delayed publication in AEON of Ellenberger's "'Ignotum per Ignotius': A Clarification" which was submitted in June, 1993 but rejected and/or delayed for a variety of not-so-clearly-stated-reasons. As an intersting fillip on ice cores, consider that Cardona wrote of Mewhinney's "Ice Cores & Common Sense": "In fact, I can savely say that, where you have failed to convince me, he has done so admirably. Bravo! I'm sold" (June 14,1989) while between April and July 1989 Talbott never found time to read Mewhinney's mongraph and it is likely that he never did. Leroy Ellenberger, formerly Sr. Ed & Exec. Sec'y., KRONOS, with 5 yrs seniority over E. Cochrane 6 July 1994 FAX: 314-773-9273 ____ Ben -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin T. Dehner Dept. of Physics and Astronomy PGP public key btd@iastate.edu Iowa State University available on request Ames, IA 50011 Jim Lippard Primenet: Arizona's Premier Internet Provider lippard@primenet.com (602) 870-1010 ext. 108 (_Skeptic_: http://www.primenet.com/~lippard/skeptics-society.html)